| Workshop Minutes: Street Team Meeting 2007.07.24 |
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stellaloella: thanks for coming so early, everyone :)
xiane: I almost forgot! O_o
LemonCadet: Hello!
does everyone know what a street team is?
FireChickTick: hiya lemon!
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sarawearsskirts: i know we have some seasoned street team members here for sure
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sarawearsskirts: (i think i abstained)
FireChickTick: *(wow this is kinda cool)*
stellaloella: sarawearsskirts , you should probably know what a street team is. :p
sarawearsskirts: :)
ahna: I'll be celebrating 1 year soon.
sarawearsskirts: congrats!
willowglass: congrats, ahna!
sarawearsskirts: okay, so we'll skip going over what a team is and get right into it
ahna: thanks :)
vickileigh: ok
xiane: rock.
sarawearsskirts: today we want to talk about exclusivity and street teams
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Peldyn: morning
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sarawearsskirts: if you'd like to ask a question/ choose a topic for discussion within this topic, type /ask in to your typey bar, then the question
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sarawearsskirts: http://team.etsy.com/workshop-cheat-sheet.html
sarawearsskirts: that's a link to a command cheat sheet for the workshop space
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FortCloudy: Hello!
LemonCadet asks, So does Etsy have a position on this yet?
xiane: yay fort cloudy!
sarawearsskirts: i think this workshop will be a part of what our position is -
Peldyn: you are asking if street teams should be exclusive, I guess it depends upon the street team
sarawearsskirts: hopefully points will get raised that we can think about
LemonCadet: I think it depends on the team and that team's purpose.
sarawearsskirts: peldyn - would you say that location based teams shouldn't be exclusive, for example?
ahna: So, what does admin want to know?
Peldyn: right
FortCloudy: I agree with that
creationsinglass: I would agree that location based teams shouldn't be exclusive, ie. Boise etcl
ahna: I agree
sarawearsskirts: well, for this morning, i'm really interested in opening the floor up to issues, questions and concerns
willowglass: I agree that location based teams shouldn't be exclusive
sarawearsskirts: so we can discuss them as a community
shallakar: I agree, location based teams should be open
vickileigh: I also agree about location based street teams should be open to all in that area
sarawearsskirts: i agree they should be open, but should be able to have parameters
andymathis: by exclusive, do you mean juried?
ahna: and themed groups can be private
xiane: it would make me sad to see location based teams be exclusive
FortCloudy: parameters like area I'd think
zestybeads: perhaps so long as there is a non-exclusive, no dues, open street team available - then exclusive ones can exist w/o being ...well most exclusionary
stellaloella: juried, in a sense
vickileigh: I think some specific street teams should be juried
LemonCadet: that makes sense zesty
stellaloella: more like, teams have requirements you must meet in order to join
xiane: it would be good to define what "exclusive" means to people here
sarawearsskirts: for example, philly's only requirements are:
zestybeads: regional ones are somewhat exclusive...by nature really
sarawearsskirts: that you have an etsy shop
ahna: I have to have a private team or it gets to be to large.
sarawearsskirts: and that you live close enough to philly to attend a once a month meeting in person
sarawearsskirts: that makes some sense, ahna
xiane: that's basically how the Charlotte team is
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stellaloella: another thing involved in exclusivity is requiring dues for membership
andymathis: what is the benefit of being exclusive?
ahna: And I have "sections" in my team as well, ie: beaders/silversmiths, etc.
sarawearsskirts: good question, andymathis
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Smokeylady54: This seems very interesting
zestybeads: "quality" - keeping out riff raff (-:
ahna: Keeping the team managable would be a benefit.
zestybeads: (I don't belong to any juried groups... (:
sarawearsskirts: ahna, do you delegate work to people in those sections?
sarawearsskirts: is that what the sections are for?
ahna: I delegate to the whole team, lol
stellaloella: one benefit would be making sure everyone in the team represents the core purpose of that team -- be it location, or type of item/craft
ahna: No, like I have about 10 beaders....
transplendent: i get confused about why there's multiple beading teams or several teams for the state of indiana. there's only one indiana team on the Teams website but it seems like people advertise other ones in the forums.
ahna: 2 silversmiths, enameling, etc.
FortCloudy: I think that the purpose of a street team is to promote Etsy I don't think anyone should be (or feel) excluded from that
xiane: because for the states - some states are BIG
sarawearsskirts: transplendent, that's a good point
sarawearsskirts: the teams pages only have the info that people email to teams@etsy
xiane: in NC, there are cities that are too far away to meet up regularly
sarawearsskirts: so i think there's about a dozen teams flying under the radar now
stellaloella: FortCloudy, but could that promotional effort be more effective if a team were united by a theme (and therefore not allow those outside the theme)?
sarawearsskirts: which is okay, except it makes it hard for us to help them
LemonCadet: etsy glass is juried. is that bad?
ahna: But themed groups were set up because Etsy lacked catagories.
willowglass: EGA is juried, yes. We also collect dues from our members for the purpose of
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vickileigh: I don't think EGA being juried is a bad thing. It is good
sarawearsskirts: i thought they were set up because of common interest
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ahna: Such as my team Etsy Dark for gothic type stuff.
willowglass: promoting both EGA and Etsy outside the Etsy site
FortCloudy: Don't get me wrong, I'm all for the themed teams, like Trashion, etc. but as far as location, I don't really feel its appropriate to be more exclusive
stellaloella: we're not going to talk in terms of "good" or "bad" -- because i don't think either scenario is "bad, just different
LemonCadet: but isn't EGA excluding people who aren't at a certain level?
creationsinglass: I don't think it's bad it's just different, some felt excluded so another non-juried no fees group was started
LemonCadet: I don't know about them except from what I've read in the forums.
xiane: egcg is struggling with the idea of jurying currently
transplendent: i missed it -what's EGA?
sarawearsskirts: at this point, i think both glass groups are active and filling a role here
FireChickTick: etsyglassartists.
sarawearsskirts: etsy glass artisans?
transplendent: thanks
willowglass: LemonCadet, EGA's requirements are that you must have the majority of work in your shop glass created by you as well as 10 unique fb's from buyers
vickileigh: EGA - Etsy Glass Artists
ahna: Well, I didn't set up Etsy Dark because we all had a common interest, I set it up to bring attention to the gothic community on Etsy.
sarawearsskirts: i didn't know that, ahna.
creationsinglass: I agree sara
willowglass: EGA's members vary from people with a lot of experience with glass to newer people to the medium
sarawearsskirts: i just assumed it was networking among artists of similar interest
creationsinglass: I set up the alternate glass group to give newer and less experienced glass artists a group/team to belong to
ahna: I begged Etsy for an "alternative" or "gothic: category but it didn't happen. Yet there is "geekery".
stellaloella: but isn't wanting to promote gothic art on Etsy a common interest for everyone on Etsy Dark?
FireChickTick: "majority of the glass in your shop created by you" ... who else would have made it?
ahna: Well, yeah
willowglass: Meaning that at least 50% of your items listed must be glass
FireChickTick: mkay.
stellaloella: (as an aside: the category system is not what it should be, and is currently undergoing a major restructuring that's taking a very long time.)
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willowglass: as opposed to 30% glass, 20% beads, 10% collages, etc.
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Smokeylady54: So what if they are glass beads??
sarawearsskirts: so, street teams and tagging...
sarawearsskirts: your thoughts?
LemonCadet: brb
willowglass: The glass beads must be created by the person who is applying for membership
ahna: The tagging system is, well... broken
creationsinglass: tagging is great, sounds like enforcement of who gets to tag is an issue
vickileigh: If the glass beads are made by you - not purchased from a store - like lampworking beads
Peldyn: I love tags, I hate tags, tag abuse is rampant
shallakar: I think there should be team tags, but enforcement and cross-over is a problem.
FireChickTick: or like, 40% glass, 60% supplies, etc, right?
Smokeylady54: Sorry I ment the glass lampwork beads I make
willowglass: tag abuse is rampantly abused
stellaloella: should teams be able to claim rights to a specific tag, and only allow members of the team to use it?
ahna: Customers have no way of knowing what a tag is or to even do a search by tag.
ahna: YES
Peldyn: did I say how much I love ya willow?
stellaloella: (maybe that should have been a poll)
willowglass: If the tags were developed by that team, then yes
vickileigh: If using "ega" as a tag - then yes
zestybeads: But tags are part of the default search params
creationsinglass: yes, but only one tag that is specific to their team, ie CGGE or EGA etc etc
shallakar: yes
FortCloudy: most of the street team abbr. are fairly unique so it probably wouldn't be a problem..
xiane: otherwise you dilute the whole purpose of tagging
should teams be able to claim specific tags for their use only?
FortCloudy: on one hand though MICE couldn't really claim that specific tag in case some is putting up an item with mice in it..
andymathis: I wouldn't want to have to spend so much time working on organizing a group and not have time to work on my own items. Been there. Done that.
FortCloudy: blah that sounds weird
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sarawearsskirts: so, i guess those tags are only effective if the group advertises offsite and people know to search for them?
FortCloudy: yea
ahna: that's correct
vickileigh: Well - EGA collects monthly dues for advertising purposes - we want to be able to know what is working...
FireChickTick: or during promos or sales...
FortCloudy: I've never used CREST as a tag.. and probably wouldn't honestly
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vickileigh: So using specific tags in advertising lets us know which venue to advertise with
sarawearsskirts: i think i've used philly as a tag without thinking about it much
xiane: we use egcg and get some results from that
ahna: I don't use tags, I just adveritse our website
xiane: but we have to advertise as such
FortCloudy: brb
creationsinglass: it's helpful for team members to use the search to create treasuries and etsy minis etc
sarawearsskirts: that's a great point, vickileigh
Peldyn: I use EJA and CCCOE tags in my auctions
transplendent: i agree that the tag should be sufficiently unique so as to not monopolize a commong word but yipes that could be hard to define
willowglass: EGA has also developed other tags for its members for certain items
xiane: for me, checking tags also lets me know who is actively participating in the team
sarawearsskirts: another good point, xiane
vickileigh: But - those EGA tags are so specific - no other team would even want to use them
FireChickTick: seems to me, tags are more designed for street team members and admins, than they are for customers
Peldyn: damn, I said auctiona nd I don't even sel on ebay
stellaloella: so, are tags more useful to the teams themselves than to buyers?
creationsinglass: our website has a shop cgge feature that is based off an etsy search of cgge in tags
ahna: I use the website to track members and a message board
FireChickTick: stella, yes
creationsinglass: if members don't use it, they don't appear on our shop cgge page
Smokeylady54: I am proud to put my group tag in CGGE
xiane: i do egcg tag searches all the time - some people just fall off the map and that's a good way to see where they are
FireChickTick: me too, Smokey!
creationsinglass: yes stella i think so
stellaloella: interesting
sarawearsskirts: that makes sense to some degree
willowglass: We have buyers who know they can search by certain tags and come up with specific items. Of course, that's not a usual occurence, but it does happen.
vickileigh: No - we ask our customers to use specific tags when looking for items (based on our advertisments)
transplendent: to stella's question: probably
ahna: But only members know about tags, really... not the public
FireChickTick: the majority of my customers aren't sellers, and I am certain they don't care what street team I belong to, or even know what a street team even is.
sarawearsskirts: do you think it would be more effective for your team and selling if the public knew to search tags ahna?
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creationsinglass: I agree with firechicktick, lately most of my sales are buyer only
creationsinglass: and unless they frequent the etsy community they don't know or care about street teams
zestybeads: It is extremely difficult to tell where shoppers come from here at Etsy...so the tags are helpful in the team, but you can't tell if searches are done on the tags; or come from the team blog, etc...
willowglass: Most of my buyers aren't Etsy sellers either
Peldyn: now, the big buyers, know about the street teams and the sales, like whitefluffydogs, greytlife, emckinstry
sarawearsskirts: even with buyers only - if your team is advertising off site to appeal to a certain type of buyer
ahna: Well, some way of searching teams would be good, ie... a street team category *wink wink*
sarawearsskirts: a tag could make it easy for them to find you
Peldyn: they know about the tags and search buy them, but they are savvy
transplendent: i would probably only search for street team tags for thematic things rather than geographic but then i may as well search for "glass" or "gothic" anyways
FireChickTick: I seriously doubt that a customer would buy *exclusively* from one street team or another.
sarawearsskirts: (street team pages are arriving sometime, and will make it easy to find teams)
creationsinglass: YAY!
shallakar: tags don't really make it easy to find anyone though....there's too much crossover.
FireChickTick: ie: shopping for, say, lampwork beads, they will purchase what they LIKE
vickileigh: many of my regular customers know which tag I use regularly and search for that specific tag
ahna: That's great to hear, Sara
andymathis: for being in groups on ebay, I don't think people shop by acronymn. One person is the group might sell well, but it doesn't cross over to other members of the group.
FortCloudy: is it hard to switch street teams? like if you move?
sarawearsskirts: nope, just email teams@etsy
zestybeads: nope
sarawearsskirts: i will gladly switch you, then you contact the new team
FortCloudy: cool
FireChickTick: andy: good point
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vickileigh: Andy - it like the monthly nibblefest on ebay - you do a search for nfac
creationsinglass: I think if you advertise how to use your tags they are helpful, example we had a summer sale, and tagged our sale items cggesale, and advertised to search that term
sarawearsskirts: to be honest, i shop etsy based a lot on photo quality.
creationsinglass: I think it worked internally & externally
FortCloudy: me too sara
sarawearsskirts: that's good to know, creationsinglass
ahna: yeah, good photos help
willowglass: Yes, photo quality and complete and accurate descriptions
sarawearsskirts: i'm always afraid of teams advertising too much internally -
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zestybeads: why?
FireChickTick: hiya gazed!!!!
ahna: I have an article on lighting if anyone is interested
GazedUponGlass: Hello!
creationsinglass: yes photo quality, good descriptions and good feedback are key
sarawearsskirts: i'm not sure how effective it is
LemonCadet: for pittsburgh we are going to advertise to shop locally and handmade and to search for pittsburgh
Peldyn: we do a lot of external advertising
sarawearsskirts: i like the shop locally angle, lemoncadet
Smokeylady54: hi GG
stellaloella: Peldyn, where do you advertise?
sarawearsskirts: will you be advertising in p'burgh weeklies and such?
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willowglass: EGA does a lot of external advertising
LemonCadet: maybe if we can get funds but mostly flyers.
ahna: Here's my lighting article for anyone that needs help: http://artcreated.com/article_lighting.html
Peldyn: on different blog, we have a list of shoppig blogs we post on reguarly and we have a shefinds ad going in in Nov
creationsinglass: CGGE is starting to do more external advertising etc. but all free none is paid at this point
shallakar: thanks, ahna!
willowglass: a good blog does wonders too
Peldyn: ahna, coordinates us all
stellaloella: interesting, thank you
Peldyn: she cracks the whip
ahna: no problem :)
creationsinglass: I think the internal advertising on Etsy is useful not so much in sales, but attracting members and increasing awareness, but I agree that it can overwhelm at times
ahna: LOL
stellaloella: a good blog is often the key to successful selling on the Internet
stellaloella: (but that's a whole other workshop, i think)
willowglass: absolutely
sarawearsskirts: i agree, stella
FireChickTick: lol yes
sarawearsskirts: so, what other elements of street team exclusivitiy should we discuss?
Peldyn: I think the key to a teams success is a leader who is commited
stellaloella: good point, Peldyn
sarawearsskirts: that's probably true, peldyn
creationsinglass: ask/ so is there a conclusion on Etsy's stance on street team exclusivity or tagging?
LemonCadet: juried please. i have to go at 11 and am interested in this topic
vickileigh: I agree - a good leader(s) is/are very important
Smokeylady54: Well I know the CGGE is commited
FireChickTick: and CreationsInGlass has done a fantastic job!
willowglass: Good leaders are essential to the smooth running of a team
sarawearsskirts: for a conclusion on the topics - i'm soaking this in to mull it over
creationsinglass: *blushing, thanks!
sarawearsskirts: i didn't realize tags were so useful to leaders and internally
FireChickTick: no problem, Kris
FireChickTick: :D
xiane: how many people here are in teams that are juried, I'm curious?
ahna: I lost half a team once for wanting to "lead"
vickileigh: me
creationsinglass: GetGlassy our webadmin really uses them a lot for our website
Peldyn: me
willowglass: me
how many people are on juried teams?
shallakar: me
6 yay, andymathis: I was in etsylux for a time, juried, but dropped it not too long ago.
stellaloella asks, what do you think about multiple teams with the same theme/location, if they each have requirements for membership?
Peldyn: I am on two teams on juried and one not and I think they both have a place on Etsy
FortCloudy: I'd be worried about teams running over each other if they're too close
LemonCadet: requirements like paying are different thany having a certain quality
sarawearsskirts: nicely put, peldyn
vickileigh: I agree with having mulitple teams. There is enough room for everone
shallakar: if the requirements are different, it sounds good to me....
willowglass: Multiple teams are very possible if there's mutual respect
Peldyn: exactly, willow
Smokeylady54: This is a big world and more than enough room for everyone.
FireChickTick: willow: WOW....great point!!
xiane: that's a good way of putting it, willow
Smokeylady54: OH yes respect!!!!!!!!!
FireChickTick: yip, respect. That's the ticket.
FireChickTick: should that be juried, too?
stellaloella: i totally agree that there is room for multiple teams -- as long as they respect one another and don't argue/compete
sarawearsskirts: i think two teams in the same category can accomplish very different things
sarawearsskirts: and both be successful
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Peldyn: yes, not every team is working toward the same goals, some just want to chat
sarawearsskirts: yep, there are some chatty teams
vickileigh: I think both glass street teams serve a separate purpose and both have been successful
sarawearsskirts: i agree, vicki
creationsinglass: thanks, vicki I agree as well!
stellaloella: that's a good point. there are many different goals for teams: promotion, socializing, networking, education, etc
sarawearsskirts: would it ever be possible for different teams in a similar category to network and collaborate?
zestybeads: yes
FortCloudy: I don't see why not if they both had interest
Peldyn: I think that would be a great idea
creationsinglass: yes, I think that's a good idea
Smokeylady54: YEP
sarawearsskirts: i would love to see more collaborations between a location team and a global team
creationsinglass: For example, the CGGE is working on an internal promotion/challenge right now, for July, we will promote it early August and then open it up for ALL to participate if wanted
FortCloudy: brb
sarawearsskirts: so it makes the global team more physical, in a way, through the collaboration
Peldyn: cool!
sarawearsskirts: like teams partnered up with location teams...
creationsinglass: We've also had members create shared treasuries featuring a variety of glass artists not just one team or the other
stellaloella: nice!
sarawearsskirts: is that a crazy idea? team partnering?
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Peldyn: nope, not crazy
sarawearsskirts: shared collaborative treasuries are nice
stellaloella: i like the idea of team partnering.
xiane: I think it's a great idea!
willowglass: I think that's a whole other workshop discussion, sara :)
vickileigh: I belong to two teams - EGA and a local team (AZ Crafty Burritos)
shallakar: team partnering sounds interesting.....
Peldyn: we have already been talking about it
sarawearsskirts: ha, i agree, willow
stellaloella: i also love that some teams are willing to promote beyond thair own shops to benefit others in their category ot Etsy in general
ahna: would require a lot of organization but its possible
sarawearsskirts: yes - that is awesome
Peldyn: ahna is the queen of organization
sarawearsskirts: i admire teams that go beyond their shops to promote etsy as a whole
vickileigh: EGA advertises for both Etsy and EGA
ahna: lol, thanks Beth :)
creationsinglass: yes, so does cgge our website actually links directly to Etsy with the Shop cgge feature.
zestybeads: creationsinglass, may I convo you abou tthat sometime?
ahna: my personal site is all linked up to Etsy as well
sarawearsskirts: that's great, creations
creationsinglass: I'd love to learn other ways to bring more customers to etsy in general
creationsinglass: zestybeads, sure!
zestybeads: thanks!
FortCloudy: ib
sarawearsskirts: excellent.
stellaloella: as i see it, there are three levels of promotion: 1) just for your own shop; 2) Etsy is a great place to buy [[specific type of item]] ; 3) Etsy is a great place to buy handmade.
stellaloella: All three can be effective
creationsinglass: zestybeads, our web admin GetGlassy might be the most help though!
zestybeads: I also do a bit of Etsy is a great place to sell
Smokeylady54: yes yes and yes
sarawearsskirts: any other topics about street teams and exclusivity we'd like to go over today?
zestybeads: OK!
stellaloella: it's when people go beyond prooting just their own shop that community is built
creationsinglass: yes, Etsy as a great place to sell is also key, we always mention it at craft fairs etc and it's on our business cards now too!
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stellaloella: (not that there's anything wrong with just promoting your own shop)
vickileigh: I agree
Peldyn: I think the community is the reason I have stayed at etsy
sarawearsskirts: me, too
creationsinglass: i agree too, that's why street teams are so fantatstic and important!
stellaloella: me, three
willowglass: me, four
sarawearsskirts: street teams are a huge challenge.
sarawearsskirts: because there's no set rght and wrong way to go about them
ahna: But teams stil need help from Etsy to get noticed.
Peldyn: more than one way to cook an egg
Smokeylady54: true
willowglass: agreed, Ahna
sarawearsskirts: and now that i'm here working on teams full time, there will be a lot more noticing of teams
stellaloella: so, are exclusive street teams contrary to the idea of building community -- or are they a more targeted, effective way of building more meaning ful small communities within Etsy?
ahna: that's good to hear, Sara
creationsinglass: the variety is what makes the teams and Etsy so unique but I agree we could use some more help from Etsy
shallakar: more meaningful small communities within
transplendent: if a mission statement highlights the goals, requirements, etc how the team is unique, that's perfect! otherwise, if i saw two teams that looked similar in everyway but remained separate, i couldn't help but think it looked fishy. i totally see the case of 2 glass two glass teams though.
zestybeads: Perhaps they are special interest groups & not street teams?
vickileigh: So, EGA set up guidellines for membership. If miminum guidelines aren't met - they are asked to reapply when they are met.
ahna: Too big of a team and you can't manage it
willowglass: more meaningful and supportive small communities within a larger Etsy community
Peldyn: you will always need to have some exclusivity if you want to have quality
ahna: 40 to 50 people is managable, anything over becomes chaos, IMO
sarawearsskirts: i think exclusivity might also bring a higher level of participation within the group
Peldyn: exactly
transplendent: true
andymathis: Street teams are sorta organic. They change as people come and go, which makes it hard to set definite boundaries.
stellaloella: i agree, sara
willowglass: absolutely
xiane: that's my thought too, sara
ahna: yes, that is true
sarawearsskirts: right, andymathis - i mean street teams are really just a grassroots means of marketing
stellaloella: andy, that's a good point. i think all communities function like that
Smokeylady54: some people just join teams to get noticed.
creationsinglass: the exclusivity is such a touch subject IMO, it can be divisive and it can lead to hurt feelings, and then lead to open hostility in some cases
stellaloella: creationsinglass -- true. so what can be done to avoid that?
willowglass: yes, cig, and that is unfortunate
andymathis: I dont think exclusivity will create a higher level of participation.
xiane: it's difficult to handle
ahna: I make new members sign a contract!!
LemonCadet: hurt feelings are horrible
stellaloella: is a contract really a friendly way to get people to participate though?
Peldyn: that is why there should be open teams also
sarawearsskirts: there will always be open teams on etsy
xiane: andy, I've found that a lot of people join just to join - if there's at least some minimum requirements, they want to actively participate more.
ahna: yes, the rules are set up and they know what is expected of them.
creationsinglass: It's hard to avoid that, but as leaders we need to set examples of peace
xiane: that's just my experience, tho
sarawearsskirts: good point, cig
LemonCadet: a lot of people are in etsykids just to be on a list and get hits
LemonCadet: they do nothing to participate
stellaloella: ok, i think i understand that, ahna
xiane: yep, lemoncadet
Peldyn: it is hard work to be on a team the requires you to actually DO something
vickileigh: active participation is crucial to a teams success
Peldyn: that is part of the bargain though
ahna: Lot's of people want into EJA just to say they are on the team, I work to hard for people to just ride my coat tails
creationsinglass: Setting up the open glass team was/is great to heal/mend hurt feelings and give people a place to belong and contribute, it's been fantastic
sarawearsskirts: alright, well it's 11:00, so i guess we should wrap up
sarawearsskirts: next week's discussion is "do street teams work"
LemonCadet: yep. gotta go.
sarawearsskirts: at 3pm NYC time
sarawearsskirts: on tuesday
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zestybeads: ciao
andymathis: on that should be interesting.
Peldyn: laters
creationsinglass: TY for doing this sara and stella, it is much appreciated!
transplendent: thanks!
sarawearsskirts: thanks for coming, everyone. i think this weas a great discussion
xiane: that's a good topic
stellaloella: thank you everyone for coming so early :)
vickileigh: EGA's goal was not to hurt feelings - Its goal is for juried glass artists be allowed to come together as a group
FireChickTick: thanks!
sarawearsskirts: :)
willowglass: thanks, Sara and Lauren :)
xiane: thanks for having this!
Smokeylady54: Yes thankyou this was very interesting.
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sarawearsskirts: you all are the best.
vickileigh: thanks
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stellaloella: bye!
sarawearsskirts: bye!
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