Laser cutting is not handmade

Report a post

Thank you for taking time to help Etsy! Please note that you will not receive a personal response about this report. We will review this post privately...

Why are you reporting this post?

Any additional comments?

Edit Post

Edit your post below. After editing, the post will be marked as edited and the date & time of the last edit displayed.

Close

What is this?

Admin may choose to highlight awesome community posts that are friendly, answer questions, and offer informative links.

What does it do?

Highlighted posts are placed at the top of each page in a thread for greater visibility.

This topic has been closed.

Responses

tatimaia says

Okay... finally I am getting it... I think. XD

Well...

If someone has a laser cut machine at home (or garage) and uses that as a TOOL for creating art.... So, we can conclude that it's handmade!

But if someone uses this machine to create mass-produced products with shapes he/she found on Google... I believe it's not!

Right?

So... thinking that way... YEAH! This is about "hand cutting is more handmade than laser cutting"!!! And hand painting is more handmade than Giclee prints too! XD

But they're all handmade. :P

Finishing my thought: the solution for the OP (I believe OP is the person who started the thread, eh?), in my opinion, is increasing the prices, because that's an artesian process a bit more complicated than using a laser. And, Etsy starting to separate those different ways of doing the same thing in sub-categories or something.

:D

Posted at 9:08am Jul 9, 2010 EDT

tatimaia says

Just an almost-off-topic-question... Is Giclee made with ink jet printer (the home one) or something a little more professional?

Posted at 9:11am Jul 9, 2010 EDT

Oh dear....in attempting to defend plasticpumpkin, I stated that she was a he! I apologize for my mistake! :D

Posted at 9:52am Jul 9, 2010 EDT

I've skimmed this whole thread, and I'm really surprised that nobody has thought to provide the actual definition of handmade here:

Handmade: made by hand, not by machine. Made by a process requiring manual skills.
Websters Dictionary.

Etsy does not say what *is* handmade, they say what is allowed to be sold as handmade. Just because something is allowed to be sold under the title "handmade" does not make it handmade.

Yes, it takes skill to operate a laser. I've programmed and operated lasers and robotic arms... but the work that comes from these devices is not handmade - by definition.

Posted at 10:00am Jul 9, 2010 EDT

pumparoo says

I am beginning to wonder if this matters anymore since there are so many mass produced items on this site? Who can keep track anyway?

Posted at 10:23am Jul 9, 2010 EDT

As a owner of a cnc, I can say this, you do not push go and walk off and leave it. For each hour it runs I have app. 1 hour design and set up and 3 to 4 hours of finishing work.
And a $3000 cnc is a very small toy.

Posted at 10:29am Jul 9, 2010 EDT

jerrywoods, using a tool (machine) to finish a product does not mean it doesn't require manual skills. Therefore by Etsy's definition of handmade (and Webster's) using a machine is still considered handmade. A sewing machine, knitting machine or scissors are tools, but do not make the end product any less handmade.

If a machine makes the product from start to finish with no manual skills, then it's not handmade.

Posted at 10:36am Jul 9, 2010 EDT

Wood turned and other woodworked items are gorgeous and in no way would I compare what I do to those items! Nor would any buyer confuse the two.

I was only defending the point of the "mindless" work of laser engravers when I explained the process - not claiming that it defines it as handmade. Most of the sellers here who use them, do not have a finished product ready to ship when it comes out. Those who do are usually sold as supplies. By etsy's definition, it is allowed here.

By the Webster's definition, this site would be cut to nothing.

It is also hard to define where to draw a line if one was drawn. A worker who uses no electricity could argue that his wood worked products are more handmade than whose who use electric saws, sanders and routers and that by using those tools would make them produced by machine.

There is a dislike of laser machines by traditional wood workers that I didn't realize until fairly recently. I frequent a scroll shop close by to pick up the wood for my hang tags and the owners told me not to mention in there too loud that we have a laser - it is a dirty word! (all said in fun - I don't think wood workers really hate me or that all feel this way toward lasers)

Posted at 10:42am Jul 9, 2010 EDT

I just came back in from putting the last coat of paint on my items that were cut ONE AT A TIME on my cnc.
While painting I was thinking about this thread and wishing I could STACK CUT as someone posted they did. Then I could mass-product my items.

Posted at 11:36am Jul 9, 2010 EDT

DewOnAPetalHome says:
jerrywoods, using a tool (machine) to finish a product does not mean it doesn't require manual skills. Therefore by Etsy's definition of handmade (and Webster's) using a machine is still considered handmade. A sewing machine, knitting machine or scissors are tools, but do not make the end product any less handmade.

If a machine makes the product from start to finish with no manual skills, then it's not handmade.

---------------------

I totally agree. Look at the definition again. It does not say that machines can't be used. The key is manual handling of either the workpiece or the tool. Manual dexterity.

I use a lathe to spin chunks of wood. I guide the tools with my hands to carve and shape the wood. The machine is only there for horsepower. On the other hand, if I attached an auto-duplicator to the lathe, and the only contact I had with the workpiece was mounting it, the final product would be machine made, not handmade.

The KEY, and the point everyone seems to be missing is; Etsy *allows* us to sell items that are laser cut under the term "handmade." This does NOT define the word handmade, nor does it make that which is sold under this heading, handmade.

So fire up your lasers, or your treadle-powered scroll saw, both methods of work are accepted by Etsy under the heading, "Handmade." But that's all it is; a heading.

BTW, I have run and programmed lasers. I have programmed robots to do all kinds of crazy stuff - including dancing. It's an art form. Programming takes skill, and I'm not knocking the laser people at all. Hell, I wish I had a laser... For now, I'll use my woodburning pens.

Posted at 11:39am Jul 9, 2010 EDT

Unfollow username?

Are you sure you want to stop following this person?