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I love this lid, I've been searching for the powder or collar box bottom for the past 15 years. Now it's your turn! You may fall in love with this piece like I did and then you can begin your search for the elusive bottom. I estimate that it comes from the late 1800s to the early 1900s. 5 inches by 5 inches on top, would fit a box approximately 4.5 inches by 4.5 inches. Begin your quest by purchasing this beauty.