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Question about handmade guidelines--reproduction prints printed by seller ok?

Does an item meet the handmade guidelines if it is a reproduction print (within copyright law of course), unaltered, which is printed by the seller?

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If the artwork is yours to start with, definitely yes. More info would be needed if it's not your artwork.
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Inactive Etsy Member 12:30pm Apr 10, 2012 EDT
I'm not sure how to answer this without you being more specific. Are the prints of your own work?
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Inactive Etsy Member 12:33pm Apr 10, 2012 EDT
Stellaloella answered this in this thread:

Stellaloella was pretty clear about what we already knew, that these are not allowed in Handmade, nor in Vintage, since they are not the original paper ephemera, but new printings.
www.etsy.com/teams/7718/site-help/discuss/6677361/page/11

if they are not by the seller, they cannot be in Art. And if they are not the true piece of paper ephemera, they cannot be in Vintage. They can be in Supplies.

And then, one would expect a supply price and not a statement by the sellers "ready to be framed" -- which would be a finished product and not a supply!
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Inactive Etsy Member 12:41pm Apr 10, 2012 EDT
and stellaloella also referenced this other thread in her answer on page 11 above:
www.etsy.com/teams/7714/ideas/discuss/6642623
Thanks for your replies. The artwork is not by me, but it is public domain. I have read the posts by Stellaoella which state that these are not allowed, except in the Supplies category, but then they would have to be a supply, such as a print for collaging.

What is confusing to me is that one only needs to search "reproduction" or "giclee" to find many people selling reproductions (not their own artwork) which they have printed. And they have been doing so for a long time.

Does Etsy just not care? Or do they deem this acceptable? (I think Stellaolella's answer would be no, but Etsy's allowing these sellers to do business implies otherwise.)
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Inactive Etsy Member 1:51pm Apr 10, 2012 EDT
I think there's a large amount of grey area in this question that needs to be explored. If one takes an image that is long out of copyright, from an actual original source (say, a Victorian trade card from 1890 or so.) And one scans the original in, repairs significant tears, rips, discoloration, spends multiple hours in Photoshop restoring the image to its former glory, does that not require artistry?

Using Photoshop to do such work is not something that anyone off the street can do without training. Being a skilled retoucher is definitely an art, not something easily learned, or easily applied.

Personally, I love seeing old images being made into reproduction items. I like to see them "rescued" and certainly would think they would have a place here on Etsy. It takes an eye for art to be able to do such work, who is to say it isn't "art"?
atlasandforest from atlasandforest says
Does an item meet the handmade guidelines if it is a reproduction print (within copyright law of course), unaltered, which is printed by the seller?

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how could that possibly be handmade? running it through a printer would be considered handmade?
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Inactive Etsy Member 2:12pm Apr 10, 2012 EDT
Zuster Gevel says
I think there's a large amount of grey area in this question that needs to be explored. If one takes an image that is long out of copyright, from an actual original source (say, a Victorian trade card from 1890 or so.) And one scans the original in, repairs significant tears, rips, discoloration, spends multiple hours in Photoshop restoring the image to its former glory, does that not require artistry?

Using Photoshop to do such work is not something that anyone off the street can do without training. Being a skilled retoucher is definitely an art, not something easily learned, or easily applied.

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mending and repairs to items of clothing that one does not own are not allowed to be sold in handmade, no matter how tedious the repairs are.

And as far as the photoshopping -- I've done it since photoshop 2 -- 17 years. It's tedium, not artistry. and I'm very good at it. And the new Photoshop makes things sooooooo much easier than they were in 1995!!!!

Retouching an actual document, like an original painting, is an art. You have to know how to do it right the first time, and the pigments, and the age of the work, and the brushstrokes. Photoshop repair and retouch is a skill. you goof, you delete the layers or the history items.
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Inactive Etsy Member 2:16pm Apr 10, 2012 EDT
and just because people sell things, doesn't mean they are allowed.

A number of us have written Etsy, and they told us we could not sell those items we could spend hours making perfect. We have asked, and they said no. We even OWN the items we want to sell -- family heirloom photographs or negatives I scanned with a transparency scanner -- and we've been told no.


We did not download them from the Library of Congress in violation of the site, or anything else like that.

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